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作者: ms006z    时间: 2007-6-3 19:17     标题: EVA 真饭进!9个量产机在天空组成的图形问题~

98年剧场版,9个量产机在天空组成的图形叫社么名字?默示录?似乎和死海文书里的某段东西有关?

就是把初号机吊上天,替真嗣刻上圣痕前的那个图形。。。

只找到个类似的,但似乎多了个圆?文化修养有限,实在不懂啊。。。


作者: 卡米哇可可    时间: 2007-6-3 19:24

不懂
太内涵鸟
作者: xxxpso    时间: 2007-6-3 19:51

好象是根据圣经上所记载的世界书样子的所组成的,没个代表什么意思忘了
作者: Kuzuryuusen    时间: 2007-6-3 20:02

多了个圆是不是因为有某台量产被明日香干掉了?
作者: diablox    时间: 2007-6-3 20:14

圣經上沒有這些圖的

就算有也是非官方地流傳下來的

EVA里面解釋是生命之樹,不過LZ沒必要太認真
EVA里面很多例如莉莉絲這些東西都是故弄玄虛,完全非正統的
完全是偽非行為,2個字 裝B!
作者: djkonami    时间: 2007-6-3 20:42

记得图案排列的是"生命之树"
作者: sweden    时间: 2007-6-3 20:44

EVA......搅屎棍
作者: ywlnn    时间: 2007-6-3 20:57

EVA,渣啊
作者: sherlockboy    时间: 2007-6-3 21:00

老师你怎么能这么宅呢?
作者: ジークフリート    时间: 2007-6-3 21:41

老师你去看看恶魔666也许就会明白了..这个图可以180度转过来看看
出处偶要想想了....
作者: Kuzuryuusen    时间: 2007-6-3 22:30

to 5楼:无知不是你的错,出来卖弄就不好了随便查一下就知道的东西嘛。
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Lilith (Hebrew לילית is a female Mesopotamian storm demon associated with wind and was thought to be a bearer of disease, illness, and death. The figure of Lilith first appeared in a class of wind and storm demons or spirits as Lilitu, in Sumer, circa 3000 BC. Many scholars place the origin of the phonetic name "Lilith" at somewhere around 700 BC.[1] Lilith appears as a night demon in Jewish lore and as a screech owl in the King James version of the Bible.
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Lilith in the Bible
The Book of Isaiah 34:14, describing the desolation of Edom, is the only occurrence of Lilith in the Hebrew Bible:

Hebrew (ISO 259): pagšu ṣiyyim et-ʾiyyim w-saʿir ʿal-rēʿhu yiqra ʾakšam hirgiʿah lilit u-maṣʾah lah manoḫ
morpho-syntactic analysis: "yelpers meet-[perfect] howlers; hairy-ones cry-[imperfect] to fellow. liyliyth reposes-[perfect], acquires-[perfect] resting-place."
KJV: "The wild beasts of the desert shall also meet with the wild beasts of the island, and the satyr shall cry to his fellow; the screech owl also shall rest there, and find for herself a place of rest."
This passage refers to Yahweh’s day of vengeance, when the land will be transformed into desolate wilderness. Thus, Lilith was known in ancient Israel of the 8th century BC. The fact that she found a place of rest in the desert from this passage seems to allude to the Sumerian Gilgamesh incident: after Lilith fled into the desert she apparently found repose there.[37]

Schrader (Jahrbuch für Protestantische Theologie, 1. 128) and Levy (ZDMG 9. 470, 484) suggest that Lilith was a goddess of the night, known also by the Jewish exiles in Babylon. Evidence for Lilith being a goddess rather than a demon is lacking. Isaiah dates to the 6th century BC, and the presence of Jews in Babylon would coincide with the attested references to the Līlītu in Babylonian demonology.

The Septuagint translates onokentauros, apparently for lack of a better word, since also the saʿir "satyrs" earlier in the verse are translated with daimon onokentauros. The "wild beasts of the island and the desert" are omitted altogether, and the "crying to his fellow" is also done by the daimon onokentauros.

In Horace (De Arte Poetica liber, 340), Hieronymus of Cardia translated Lilith as Lamia, a witch who steals children, similar to the Breton Korrigan, in Greek mythology described as a Libyan queen who mated with Zeus. After Zeus abandoned Lamia, Hera stole Lamia's children, and Lamia took revenge by stealing other women's children.

The screech owl translation of the KJV is without precedent, and apparently together with the "owl" (yanšup, probably a water bird) in 34:11, and the "great owl" (qippoz, properly a snake,) of 34:15 an attempt to render the eerie atmosphere of the passage by choosing suitable animals for difficult to translate Hebrew words. It should be noted that this particular species of owl is associated with the vampiric Strix of Roman legend.[citation needed]
至于lz的问题,去wiki查Sephirot词条。(原来那谁的名字就是这么来的
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Sephirot [or "enumerations", Sephiroth, Sefiroth (סְפִירוֹת, singular: Sephirah, also Sefirah (סְפִירָה "enumeration" in Hebrew)], in the Kabbalah of Judaism, are the ten attributes that God (who is referred to as אור אין סוף Aur Ain Soph, "Limitless Light, Light Without End" created through which he can manifest not only the physical but the metaphysical universe.
其实我也觉得小日本变着花样故弄玄虚的说,不是真的感兴趣就表太较真儿了:D:D

再补张图
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Through a careful study of the Tanakh, Jewish sages identified ten Sephirot (ten being the number of divine perfection) known by the following names/characteristics from highest to lowest:

Keter/Crown - Divine Plan/Creator/infinite light/Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh - I AM THAT I AM (Supreme/Total Consciousness)
Chokmah - Divine Reality/revelation/Yesh me-ayin - being from nothingness (Power of Wisdom)
Binah - Understanding/repentance/reason (Power of Love)
Chesed - Mercy/Grace/Love of (intention to emulate) God (Power of Vision)
Gevurah - Judgment/strength/determination (Power of Intention)
Tipheret - Symmetry/balance/compassion (Creative Power)
Netzach - Contemplation/Initiative/persistence (Power of the Eternal Now)
Hod - Surrender/sincerity/steadfastness (Intellectual/Observational Power)
Yesod - Foundation/wholly remembering/coherent knowledge (Power of Manifesting)
Malkuth/Lower Crown - Kingdom/physical presence/vision and illusion (Power of Healing/Accomplishment/Level of Realization of Divine Plan)
The Da'at is the mystical state of unity of the 10 Sephiroth, also called the Tree of Life. These ten levels are associated with Kabbalah's (Zohar) four different "worlds" or "planes" which serve as the guide for returning to the Creator.

Atziluth (אֲצִילוּת, or "World of Emanations", on this level of Creator, Reality/the light of the Ain Sof radiates and is united with its source.
Beri'ah (בְּרִיאָה or "World of Creation", on this conceptual level of creation ex nihilo without form, only the highest ranking Angels (purity of being) inhabit.
Yetzirah (יְצִירָה or "World of Formation" on this level, creation (creativity) is related to form.
Asiyah' (עֲשִׂיָּה or "World of Actions", on this level creation is relegated to the 'physical Asiyah' comprising our physical world with all its creatures.
Each of these worlds are progressively grosser and further removed from the Divine (Plan), however the ten Sephiroth manifest in all of them.
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作者: qazxcde    时间: 2007-6-5 10:18

:D :D  LS   哪有皮球大合唱听 :D
作者: freeAlllllll    时间: 2007-6-5 14:04

cabala

犹太秘教。
不过EVA我已懒得多说。:D
作者: wiixbox360    时间: 2007-6-5 14:43

EVA就是经典啊~:D
作者: 20150000    时间: 2007-6-5 18:16

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原帖由 diablox 于 2007-6-3 20:14 发表
圣經上沒有這些圖的

就算有也是非官方地流傳下來的

EVA里面解釋是生命之樹,不過LZ沒必要太認真
EVA里面很多例如莉莉絲這些東西都是故弄玄虛,完全非正統的
完全是偽非行為,2個字 裝B!
这里就不知道装b的是谁了  莉莉斯(希伯来语:לִּילִית‎,Lilith)最早出现于苏美尔神话,亦同时记载于犹太教的拉比文学。她被指为《旧约》里亚当的第一个妻子,由上帝用泥土所造。因不满上帝而离开伊甸园。她也被记载为撒旦的情人、夜之魔女,也是法力高强的女巫,并教导该隐如何利用鲜血产生力量以供己用。传说与吸血鬼的起源有关。

虽然以上有关莉莉斯的记载未见于《圣经·创世记》,但有学者认为我们仍然可以在创世记部份章节和旧约其他部分看到有关的莉莉斯痕迹。


在喀巴拉(犹太神秘主义)的信仰中,莉莉斯也被作为堕落天使Samael的妻子,被描画成下半身为蛇、和Mahlath、Naamah并称为三大女魔。
PS:死海文书只是圣经手抄本中最为完整的一部  在所有的手抄本中有众多的不同甚至相悖的地方 但没有真正的正统之说
作者: Kuzuryuusen    时间: 2007-6-5 20:09

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原帖由 qazxcde 于 2007-6-5 10:18 发表
:D :D  LS   哪有皮球大合唱听 :D
现场转播大会堂演野厅一场音乐会,由中央包响乐团带头校音,贝多葱指挥,十分有分寸,由当今乐坛最酶的两个散仔,梦吃丸合唱团合唱的皮球大合唱,讲个傻婆的故事,好正噶
:D

前两天无意中找到的,十年前听过磁带,怀念啊
作者: zafm0861    时间: 2007-6-6 07:37

卡巴拉生命之树……
貌似EVA里面是逆位的,于是人类肉体消失……
作者: diablox    时间: 2007-6-6 18:03

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原帖由 20150000 于 2007-6-5 18:16 发表


这里就不知道装b的是谁了  莉莉斯(希伯来语:לִּילִית‎,Lilith)最早出现于苏美尔神话,亦同时记载于犹太教的拉比文学。她被指为《旧约》里亚当的 ...
好吧~我承認我是新教徒,只承認圣經
天主教承認的一大堆東西值不值得信就自己判斷好了
至少這個lilith很明顯和圣經有沖突

莉莉斯Lilith語源由來

10世紀成書的聖經外典《本司拉的知識》中記載,莉莉斯(Lilith,也作Lilit,名字來自希伯來文“Lailah”,意思是“夜”)是亞當的第一個妻子,世界上第一個女人。在希伯來傳說中,亞當不滿於和自己的牲口性交,因此上帝創造了莉莉斯作為他的妻子。

容克著《諸世紀的傳說》選段“莉莉斯”(1883年)

    10世紀成書的聖經外典《本司拉的知識》中記載,莉莉斯是亞當的第一個妻子,世界上第一個女人。莉莉斯的稱謂和身份來自蘇美爾巴比倫和亞述的女神貝里蒂莉或女惡魔Lilu、Lilitu,在蘇美爾語中,Lil指暴風或惡魔,而Lulu指“情欲”。伽南人將莉莉斯稱為巴拉特,而在公元前2000年的泥版上,莉莉斯被稱為莉拉可。在希伯來傳說中,亞當不滿於和自己的牲口性交,因此上帝創造了莉莉斯作為他的妻子。與人以外的動物性交在《聖經》正典中被作為罪惡,見《舊約》申命記第27章:     “跟動物性交的,要受上帝詛咒。”     而實際上,與動物性交在古代中東牧民中是很普通的習俗。

  亞當要求以男上位對面位(Venus Observa,或稱正常位,即男在上女在下,也稱為教士體位-missionary position)和莉莉斯行房。莉莉斯不同意,因為他們都是從土裡造出來的、是平等的。她嘲笑亞當的粗暴和自大,辱罵他,並且說出了上帝隱秘的名字而離開了伊甸園(早期猶太人的[宗教]並非一神教,而是多神教,據說每一個神都有自己秘密的名字,如果得知了這個名字,就能夠讓神為自己服務。因此“十戒”中說“不可濫用神的名”。我們現在常說的“耶和華”-JEHOVAH其實不是上帝真正的名字),產生了瞬間移動的效果,從伊甸園來到紅海。

上帝派遣天使去把莉莉斯帶回來,上帝對天使說, “如果她願意回來最好,否則,以後每天就會有她的100個子孫死掉”。天使告別了神去追莉莉絲。他們在紅海中央找到了她。他們將神的話告訴她,但是她還是不願回來。但Lilith無視神權威的態度震怒,而被神處罰。另一方面Adam向神訴苦,神決定放棄Lilith、另造 Eve(夏娃)。於是從亞當的肋骨創造出夏娃代替她。

Lilith不懼怕[天使]的力量,她和野獸、魔鬼們性交。Lilith在[紅海]以每日100個的速度產下惡魔之子。同時她也不斷殺死Adam的後代嬰兒。痛苦的Adam向神禱告,上帝派遣三位天使Snwy、Snsnwy、Smnglf前往紅海(紅海解譯也為地球),以每天100個的速度屠殺 Lilith的後代。Lilith只得與天使立約:天使不再傷害Lilith的後代,而Lilith在Adam的後代與上帝立約之前,也不再殺死嬰兒。具體來說,等男孩出生後第8天行過割禮(circumcision),Lilith便不得再加侵犯。女孩為20天。因此後世醫學家認為Lilith或為古代人對新生兒猝死綜合症(SIDS:Sudden Infant Death Syndrome)的擬人化。在三名天使威逼下,Lilith受不了這種折磨而跳紅海(地球)而死。

[ 本帖最后由 diablox 于 2007-6-6 18:10 编辑 ]
作者: Hector    时间: 2007-6-6 23:27

MD,学习到了




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