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作者: 眼神 时间: 2012-10-30 05:27 标题: 大清洗：Scott Forstall走人

Apple刚刚宣布iOS主管Scott Forstall明年将离开公司

同时，立刻走人的还有加入不久的零售主管John Brownett

零售业务直接由Tim Cook领导

而Ive将负责人机界面团队

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[ 本帖最后由眼神于 2012-10-30 08:28 编辑 ]

作者: solopain 时间: 2012-10-30 05:30

别着急，苹果还会有大改革的，改好改坏谁也说不清楚。

tim之所以被jobs选中，估计有某些地方接近，比如独裁什么的。

作者: 眼神 时间: 2012-10-30 05:32

后者走人没有人在乎，Dixons来的，一年不到而已

前者是教主从Next带来的老兵，一手带起来的iOS和iPhone团队

可能性之一是权力斗争：之前传闻Scott是最有可能的接班人之一
可能性之二是关系不和：之前传闻Scott在Apple内部没有什么朋友，性格问题，被人排斥
可能性之三是为产品问题负责：iOS这几年的进步比较慢，Maps又出了纰漏，必须有人负责

人事动荡终究不是好事，何况还是灵魂人物，且看下步怎么走

一朝天子一朝臣

作者: 眼神 时间: 2012-10-30 05:47

准确的说，Scott Forstall的职责将由三个人分担

Jony Ive是人机交互界面
Eddy Cue负责Siri和Maps
Craig Federighi，也就是Mac OS的负责人，负责iOS

也有人认为主要的冲突来自Scott和Jony，原因之一是仿真界面的问题（日历，寻找我的朋友之类的App）

作者: ooo 时间: 2012-10-30 05:54

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人事地震阿

作者: 眼神 时间: 2012-10-30 05:56

八卦时刻到——看来Scott和别人关系确实不好

“He was as close to Steve as anybody at the company,” says Andy Miller, who headed Apple’s fledgling iAd group.
Insiders say he has such a fraught relationship with other members of the executive team—including lead designer Jony Ive and Mac hardware chief Bob Mansfield—that they avoid meetings with him unless Tim Cook is present.

“I once referred to Scott as Apple’s chief a–hole,” says former Apple software engineer Mike Lee, who left the company in 2010. “And I meant it as a compliment.”

According to the story, iPod godfather Tony Fadell and Jean-Marie Hullot CTO of Apple’s application division until 2005 left Apple after clashing repeatedly with Forstall. Jon Rubinstein, a former iPod chief who left for Palm in 2006, chatted amiably at a Silicon Valley party last month, until Forstall’s name came up. Then he turned away abruptly. “Goodbye!” he said.

Before the iPhone 4 went to market, Forstall persuaded Jobs to allow dozens of his engineers to carry prototypes of the device to better test its network performance and minimize dropped calls, says a former Apple employee who was a manager at the time. That’s how Gizmodo got ahold of it.

Forstall has cashed in over $40 million in Apple Stock. Brian Marshall, an analyst at ISI Group, says that he would consider downgrading Apple stock if Forstall were to leave.

作者: pangeng 时间: 2012-10-30 05:57

会跟jobs一样三年后回来成为教主么？

作者: 眼神 时间: 2012-10-30 06:01

上一次人事地震要追溯到2006年，Jon Rubinstein，iPod团队的领导者之一离开公司，之后去了Palm，开创了WebOS并成为CEO，前些年离开了HP

Jon Rubinstein当年离开也有Scott的原因

如果Jon能回来，应该会很有意思

作者: solopain 时间: 2012-10-30 07:31

会是苹果帝国再次崩溃的前兆么？

作者: 随便走走 时间: 2012-10-30 07:36

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iOS确实在吃老本了，几个大版本下来我觉得最有用的只有文件夹，233

作者: 江户川柯南 时间: 2012-10-30 07:47

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我认为这是大好事。。

尤其Brownett那个前Dixons CEO，从他加入苹果我就很不爽。。在英国的都知道Dixons这家店铺能活着简直匪夷所思。。

至于Scot，他的工作由其他几个人接手我更看好

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作者: trashman 时间: 2012-10-30 07:53

果然，我大苹果教护教左使清洗了最桀骜不驯的法王。

零售的那个傻逼走了是好事，居然裁员，完全没脑子。苹果零售店是果蜜之家，整天算利润率的是其他零售商店。

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作者: 城里的月光 时间: 2012-10-30 07:58

以前就听说scot是办公室的定时炸弹，走了也好~~~

作者: trashman 时间: 2012-10-30 08:00

你们等着
这群法王护法退休后，我金毛狮王必重回光明顶。

作者: 眼神 时间: 2012-10-30 08:20

给员工的信

Team,

We are in one of the most prolific periods of innovation and new products in Apple’s history. The amazing products that we’ve introduced in September and October – iPhone 5, iOS6, iPad mini, iPad, iMac, MacBook Pro, iPod touch, iPod nano and many of our applications – could only have been created at Apple, and are the direct result of our relentless focus on tightly integrating world-class hardware, software and services.

Today, I am announcing changes that will encourage even more collaboration between our world-class hardware, software and services teams at all levels of our company. As part of these changes, Jony Ive, Bob Mansfield, Eddy Cue, and Craig Federighi will be taking on more responsibilities. I am also announcing that Scott Forstall will be leaving Apple next year and will serve as an advisor to me during the interim. I want to thank Scott for all of his many contributions to Apple over his career.

Jony Ive will provide leadership and direction for Human Interface (HI) across the company in addition to his longtime role as the leader of Industrial Design. Jony has an incredible design aesthetic and has been the driving force behind the look and feel of our products for more than a decade. The face of many of our products is our software and the extension of Jony’s skills into this area will widen the gap between Apple and our competition.

Eddy Cue will take on the additional responsibility of Siri and Maps. This places all of our online services in one group. Eddy and his organization have overseen major successes such as the iTunes Store, the App Store, the iBookstore and iCloud. They have an excellent track record of building and strengthening our online services to meet and exceed the high expectations of our customers.

Craig Federighi will lead both iOS and OS X. We have the most advanced mobile and desktop operating systems on the planet, and bringing together our OS teams will make it even easier to deliver our best technology and user experience innovations to both platforms. Craig recently led the very successful release of Mountain Lion.

Bob Mansfield will lead a new group, Technologies, which combines all of our wireless teams across the company in one organization, allowing us to innovate in this area at an even higher level. This organization will also include all of our semiconductor teams, who have some very ambitious plans. As part of this, I am thrilled to tell you that Bob will remain with Apple for an additional two years. Bob has led some of our most challenging engineering projects for many years.

Additionally, John Browett is leaving Apple. Our search for a new head of Retail is already underway. In the meantime, the Retail team will report directly to me. Retail has an incredibly strong network of leaders at the store and regional level, and they will continue the excellent work they’ve done over the past decade to revolutionize retailing with unique, innovative services and a focus on the customer that is second to none. This phenomenal team of talented and dedicated people works their hearts out making our customers happy. They have our respect, our admiration and our undying support.

Please join me in congratulating everyone on their new roles.

I’d like to thank everyone for working so hard so that Apple can continue to make the world’s best products and delight our customers. I continue to believe that Apple has the most talented and most innovative people on the planet, and I feel privileged and inspired to be able to work with all of you.

Best,

Tim

作者: trashman 时间: 2012-10-30 08:44

美工战胜了死程

作者: 美脆皮 时间: 2012-10-30 08:45

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ios发展是越来越慢，尤其是ios6，是要有人对此负责

作者: 美脆皮 时间: 2012-10-30 08:49

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顺便喷下ios6
作为大版本升级，完全没啥亮点，而且系统问题多的很。连自带的app都不稳定。safari要闪退，camera要闪退，尼玛无语了

作者: silenty 时间: 2012-10-30 08:52

后者加入苹果后制定了一系列愚蠢政策，走人正常，Scott感觉迟早要出问题，想不到来的这么快，YY一下，他是不是学教主当年在幕后联合其他董事想向库克逼宫，失败后走人呢，不过Scott离开也许能给IOS带来新的东西呢

作者: mame 时间: 2012-10-30 08:56

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负责IOS的这逼是该滚蛋了，这5和6都些什么玩意儿。。。

作者: 江户川柯南 时间: 2012-10-30 09:10

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原帖由 @美脆皮于 2012-10-30 08:49 发表
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顺便喷下ios6
作为大版本升级，完全没啥亮点，而且系统问题多的很。连自带的app都不稳定。safari要闪退，camera要闪退，尼玛无语了

闪退没遇到。。输入法反而没iOS5好用

作者: jue 时间: 2012-10-30 09:14

我倒是觉得鲁宾斯坦回来会不错！！web OS 的前卫性不容置疑！！！！

作者: yy77 时间: 2012-10-30 09:28

Jon Rubinstein能回来就好了，虽然palm最后的结局不好，但是东西还是很棒的。

作者: wpang 时间: 2012-10-30 09:36

有和我一样一直不喜欢Scott同学的么。Mac党支持iOS OSX一手抓。Sir Ive负责UI也很期待啊，快换换风格吧，老拟物你妹啊拟物。

作者: trashman 时间: 2012-10-30 09:41

希望鲁宾斯坦回来的是想要新IPC，对吧，承认吧

作者: 凤凰 时间: 2012-10-30 09:44

期待革命

作者: HKE 时间: 2012-10-30 09:47

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.............但可千万不能小看了这位 Scott Forstall，知道为什么吗？因为华尔街普遍预计，他将是库克最完美的候选人................

ios可说从头到尾没多大长进,完全就是一直在做拼补,东摘西抄,还是一样不便操作
好吧siri算个进步

作者: Heidern 时间: 2012-10-30 10:01

我觉得最大的问题是WIN8出现狠狠的抽了APPLE一个耳光，让APPLE知道吃老本躺着是必然被人超越，正是这种危机感才让他们必须对IOS和OSX做出改变，否则就是死路一条

作者: 去日留痕 时间: 2012-10-30 10:06

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股价波动了？

作者: yuhui 时间: 2012-10-30 10:18

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@yuhui mark

作者: zo 时间: 2012-10-30 10:23

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原帖由 Heidern 于 2012-10-30 10:01 发表
我觉得最大的问题是WIN8出现狠狠的抽了APPLE一个耳光，让APPLE知道吃老本躺着是必然被人超越，正是这种危机感才让他们必须对IOS和OSX做出改变，否则就是死路一条

win8.。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。

作者: 孟德斯鸠 时间: 2012-10-30 11:49

WIN8主打office功能的，买个超级本笔记本不是挺好么，还是对抗air为主？

[ 本帖最后由孟德斯鸠于 2012-10-30 11:53 编辑 ]

作者: dirge 时间: 2012-10-30 11:51

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披着狗皮的win7也跳出来闹丧了？

斯科特在当年稳定大于一切的时代可是杠走了鲁宾斯坦呢，教主不在就没人护着他了吧。现在需要进取和稳定并重？

作者: zmqzmqzmq 时间: 2012-10-30 12:01

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用起来还是4.2.1最快最舒服，当年4代直接跑视网膜多流畅，反观5和6两个大版本除了狂吃内存的几个特性和im，真心不咋地。

作者: firesun 时间: 2012-10-30 12:17

5的最大进步是在解锁界面进相机……

作者: razgriz 时间: 2012-10-30 12:25

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这贴看了心寒，人家维护ios这么多年给大家用，虽然功能残了点，但始终是个优雅直观稳定的优秀系统。现在人走了，多少也说句祝好运吧，没想到全是说风凉话的！

作者: 美脆皮 时间: 2012-10-30 12:26

我觉得5~6最大进步就是通知中心和IM

作者: jinyibo 时间: 2012-10-30 12:31

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原生就用ios6的设备很流畅。

作者: cc0128 时间: 2012-10-30 12:34

ios几乎就是换个版本号...

作者: solopain 时间: 2012-10-30 13:10

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原帖由 razgriz 于 2012-10-30 12:25 发表
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这贴看了心寒，人家维护ios这么多年给大家用，虽然功能残了点，但始终是个优雅直观稳定的优秀系统。现在人走了，多少也说句祝好运吧，没想到全是说风凉话的！

这就是所谓的人走茶凉吧

很难满足，怎么都能挑出毛病。

作者: zmqzmqzmq 时间: 2012-10-30 13:18

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原帖由 @razgriz 于 2012-10-30 12:25 发表
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这贴看了心寒，人家维护ios这么多年给大家用，虽然功能残了点，但始终是个优雅直观稳定的优秀系统。现在人走了，多少也说句祝好运吧，没想到全是说风凉话的！

5和6进步太小，im虽然很不错，但真心没有FaceTime出来时候的那种惊喜，两个大版本没有特别NB的功能，心理落差太大。

作者: migiry 时间: 2012-10-30 13:20

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Jony Ive and Mac hardware chief Bob Mansfield—that they avoid meetings with him unless Tim Cook is present.

哎，这个真是的，矛盾基本不可调和了

作者: 眼神 时间: 2012-10-30 13:35

功过分开两说，iOS 5的进步还是不小的，通知中心现在大家用得都很频繁

iOS 6确实创新不够缺少亮点

明年是很关键的一年，看Craig的了

作者: 眼神 时间: 2012-10-30 13:37

Apple的企业文化决定了这种宫廷剧会经常上演

给我的感觉就是主席尸骨未寒，华国锋干掉了毛远新，但谁是小平同志，且待下回分解

作者: 不跳的野兔 时间: 2012-10-30 13:40

ios5的im和nc进步明显，ios6除了全景照相，目前没找到什么亮点

作者: silenty 时间: 2012-10-30 13:53

IOS5还是很不错的，除了新加的几个小程序，锁屏进相机、PC FREE、同步时可做其他事、icloud、im、通知中心、OTA更新都是很重要的功能

IOS6明显创新不足，但也有亮点，免打扰模式比较鸡肋，为什么不干脆做成来电防火墙？地图就不说了，比较有用的蜂窝数据下facetime、中国本地化搞得还可以继承了新浪微博、土豆和优酷、siri支持了中文，全景拍照，PASSBOOK目前应用范围太小，其他功能就乏善可陈了

作者: sumeru 时间: 2012-10-30 13:56

坐等apple犯混，我貌似看到了当初久多出走的影子。

作者: shacg 时间: 2012-10-30 14:20

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ios7出个桌面吧，老是这种apps收藏夹的模式太受不了了

作者: kklai 时间: 2012-10-30 14:54

这种算不得什么。。。。。。。。。正常

作者: Jeanne 时间: 2012-10-30 16:05

股价在此消息之前几天大幅下跌是因为这个原因吗？还是仅仅因为ipad mini带来的失望？

作者: 不跳的野兔 时间: 2012-10-30 17:00

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原帖由 Jeanne 于 2012-10-30 16:05 发表
股价在此消息之前几天大幅下跌是因为这个原因吗？还是仅仅因为ipad mini带来的失望？

这个应该和mini没任何关系，Forstall负责的是ios部分，应该还是跟地图恶评以及他个人在公司内部的为人有关

作者: leica 时间: 2012-10-30 19:44

神仙打架，百姓观望。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。

作者: ferrerorun 时间: 2012-10-30 19:49

苹果有传统被顾问的全是领便当了

作者: Redofish 时间: 2012-10-30 21:06

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maps实在是不冤。。。不过说实话罪不致死，估计s也早就想走了

作者: silenty 时间: 2012-10-30 21:49

5月份的时候他在630美元左右的价位抛出手头95%的苹果股票，那个时候估计就想走了

作者: sunjianxi 时间: 2012-10-30 22:30

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mark回头看

作者: zzzeven 时间: 2012-10-30 23:13

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如果走是因为地图，eddie cue更应该

scott走应该是斗争失败，教主当年还是传位厨子

作者: mayokaze 时间: 2012-10-30 23:19

地图关他毛事啊？他的软件做得已经很好了，比前之前的地图是很大的进步，有问题的是数据而已
现在大家都喷着，我赌五毛钱若干年后所有地图都会改成这种3d渲染模式
至于让他在道歉信上签字，这事说白了就是找他背黑锅，像Forstall这么有个人的人断然是不会给别人背黑锅的

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