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[新闻] 厂商是婊子,用户是嫖客,我来分析一下微软的野心

理想很美好,现实很残酷

现在看这xbox one就是一巨型四不像啊,啥都想塞进去,结果啥都干不好


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原帖由 turnlive 于 2013-5-23 23:14 发表

服务器估计直接用azure的,反正datacenter多了去了。。。
sony要么自己买多了积灰要不买少了吃鳖要不租亚马逊的。。
上海那个Live能用吗?



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原帖由 west2046 于 2013-5-23 23:39 发表

上海那个Live能用吗?
不知道啊,回头找人去打听打听。。
不过在云方面也只有Amazon和ms靠谱了,不然apple在自己的datacenter起来前icloud不会一半托管在azure一半托管在AWS

[ 本帖最后由 turnlive 于 2013-5-23 23:43 编辑 ]


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原帖由 buggy 于 2013-5-23 18:37 发表
举个例子,VMWARE野心大不大
自己出个虚拟机,想让各种系统windows、linux、ios都不用考虑硬件直接装在它上面
而硬件厂商也不用考虑各种系统,只要为它做驱动就行了

也就是说硬件商和系统商都不要考虑对方,只要都通过它就行

想法的确是NB啊,成功了就天下老大了,但是硬件商和系统商智商会这么低,直接拜他为大王?
现实情况是,Vmware市场份额越来越大。

越来越多的客户选择x86服务器已经不太在乎品牌和x86服务器的特点了。

4年前,还都是普遍的大型机,小型机,x86服务器。

现在,很少有客户不用Vmware。

自己在这个行业做业务太多年了,感触良多。

类似的例子还有hadoop大数据云计算平台(适合特定应用),也和Vmware一样如火如荼的发展,甚至挤掉了特定行业原来Power AIX小型机的应用。

IBM X86部门渠道压货压到天上去了,可能被卖的说法到处都是,IBM从去年Q4开始,天朝区的power和存储业务都发展不力,销售业务量却不断上涨(去年不少人直接提了40%左右,完全不符合市场常识,基本上逆势做高销售压力的公司很多都是觉得自己前景受到威胁,想利润最大化,然后再研究下一步,比如马克赫德在惠普的那段疯狂增长催销售以及cost control的日子,之后就陷入了长期的低迷)销售压力越来越大,就连IBM的工程师都人心惶惶。

类似的例子还有现在的西门子,我觉得如果在中国区再这么下去,中国区裁员50%都有可能,当然有相当的原因是天朝制造业萎靡的原因。

这不都是Vmware成熟后的趋势的变化吗?

[ 本帖最后由 tntforbrain 于 2013-5-23 23:56 编辑 ]

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原帖由 tntforbrain 于 2013-5-23 23:42 发表


现实情况是,Vmware市场份额越来越大。

越来越多的客户选择x86服务器已经不太在乎品牌和x86服务器的特点了。

4年前,还都是普遍的大型机,小型机,x86服务器。

现在,很少有客户不用Vmware。

自己在 ...
请教下Hyper-V和VMware之间的情况?

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原帖由 hudihutian 于 2013-5-23 21:55 发表


家家都有笑了:D

这个先放下,我们来看看手机 -

人人都有,天天要用,几个月更新换代

历史上有过这么可怕的娱乐终端?
用白开水人人都要喝来得出果汁汽水茶等饮料必死的结论,可谓智商捉鸡

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原帖由 turnlive 于 2013-5-23 23:46 发表

请教下Hyper-V和VMware之间的情况?
还是Vmware主流,而且增长迅速。

而且Vmware的功能越来越强,硬件软件结合,云方案,现在越来越牛逼了,已经不单单仅仅是虚拟机这么简单了。

现在有着把网络,主机,存储完全虚拟化变成资源池,进而实现云计算的能力。

[ 本帖最后由 tntforbrain 于 2013-5-23 23:50 编辑 ]

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The third screen: Will all Windows 8 apps run on Microsoft's Xbox One?

Summary: MS CRM on your Xbox One? Will any and all Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8 apps be allowed to run on the just-announced Xbox One?


Mary Jo Foley

By Mary Jo Foley for All About Microsoft | May 22, 2013 -- 18:13 GMT (11:13 PDT)
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Is it really so crazy to think that users will be able to run Microsoft CRM on their Xboxes in the not-so-distant future?
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After Microsoft's May 21 Xbox One reveal -- which included information about the coming Xbox One operating system that is based on Microsoft's Hyper-V hypervisor technology -- some developers and users were left wondering whether Microsoft is going to enable any Metro-Style Windows 8 or Windows RT application to run on the next Xbox.

Microsoft officials aren't talking about the Xbox One developer story yet; it sounds like they are planning/hoping to hold off until the Build 2013 conference in late June to share more details on that. But here's what I've gleaned from talking to my sources about this.

As we learned yesterday, the Xbox One OS includes a host OS, which is a heavily modified Hyper-V hypervisor; and two partitions. One partition, called the "Exclusive" partition, is a custom virtual machine (VM) that is designed just for games. It is designed to give games on the Xbox One complete control on everything from memory management to storage, I hear. While games can be paused or switched, only one game can run at a time in this VM. (If Microsoft steps up its support for indie games on Xbox One, those games are going to run in this partition.)

The other piece of the new OS the "Shared" partition. It's called shared because multiple applications can share this VM. According to one of my contacts, this VM is based on the Windows 8 "core," which means the kernel, file system, graphics stack, networking stack and security elements. Like the Windows core that is shared with Windows RT and Windows Phone 8, the Shared partition core is based on the WinRT application programming interface (API). One of my sources said internally it's actually called WinXRT, the same way that the Windows Phone implementation of WinRT is known internally as WinPRT.

However, the similarities between the Windows environments seem to end there. On top of the Xbox One Shared Partiion core, the Xbox team created a custom UI for Xbox One. Microsoft supposedly isn't going to allow just anyone to write apps that can run here; devs will have to be chosen and invited, the way that they are now on Xbox 360. And they're not going to be inviting Salesforce or Oracle or even the Microsoft SharePoint team to write apps to run here. More likely are things like Netflix and Skype and other media/companion/social kinds of apps.

Core first-party, Microsoft apps like Xbox Music and Video will run in the Shared Partition, too. But these won't just be the same Windows 8/Windows RT versions of these apps; instead, they'll be Xbox-customized ones that will make use of chunks of the Windows 8/Windows RT complements' code, according to my source. (There need to be customized to work with the Xbox controllers and Kinect.)

I'd think as Microsoft continues to add more features and functionality to Windows 8, starting with Windows 8.1 (Blue), some of these security/reliability/performance-focused features will find their way back into the Shared Partition Core. So yeah... don't be looking for the new Start Button or a way to boot straight to desktop on your Xbox One, even when these options come to Windows 8.1.

So at Build 2013, I do expect Microsoft to play up the message that there's increasing a common core codebase on Windows Phone, Windows PCs and tablets and the coming Xbox. There will no doubt be more on the increasingly common developer platform for all of these screens. This year won't be the year when there is just one shared developer platform across these screens (even if Microsoft officials go so far to claim this is the case). Nor will there be a unified Windows Store for Windows 8, Windows RT, Windows Phone 8 and Xbox One this year.

It's taking a while to turn the ship and more closely align the release cadences across all the teams that develop anything that involves a flavor of Windows. Yet slowly and surely, Microsoft's moving in that direction.
贴篇有意思的文章。。
http://www.zdnet.com/the-third-s ... box-one-7000015757/

[ 本帖最后由 turnlive 于 2013-5-23 23:55 编辑 ]

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原帖由 爬行动物 于 2013-5-23 19:28 发表
今天一软青说,这机顶盒就是一美国经济危机下的产物,难为楼主洗那么多出来了
美国现在还经济危机?早强劲复苏了,现在日子滋润的很吧。

[ 本帖最后由 tntforbrain 于 2013-5-24 00:14 编辑 ]

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借一句木马Elop的话,这年头还在只玩产品不看ecosystem的都是耍流氓。
这年头能玩的起的也就ms,apple,google这3家了。
sony拆分娱乐部门和老任一起转型做内容提供商也是条出路。
不然即使ps4赢了这代主机大战到头来还是死路一条。。

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原帖由 turnlive 于 2013-5-23 23:14 发表

服务器估计直接用azure的,反正datacenter多了去了。。。
sony要么自己买多了积灰要不买少了吃鳖要不租亚马逊的。。
聊点闲的,azure不管怎么说,不管它未来的前景如何,在金融客户和天朝客户的地界很难搞好。

把数据中心运维和数据交给别人,这在我们国家,尤其是很多ZF行业是不可接受这样的方案的...而搞不定金融和ZF的大客户群,很多连带行业就搞不定,在中国搞不定这些就很难做市场推广...

国内某些部门本来数据里的问题就多多,又牵扯权利,交出去怎么得了...金融行业数据交出去,运维交出去,自己控制不了怎么得了...

而且azure的租赁式offer表面上会让财报好看,表面上看省钱,但别忘了微软毕竟不是纯粹的金融公司,他们也需要依靠金融,实际上肯定是比银行的利润高的,否则他们这钱存银行好了。

租赁长期来讲,客户反倒是有可能吃亏。

放弃租赁这些,搞私有云datacenter方案的话,左有Vmware套装方案,右有hadoop,这阻力太大了。

原来我就是出于这个考虑,没有接受offer去搞azure的天朝市场...

现在看来我的选择应该是正确的,233.

[ 本帖最后由 tntforbrain 于 2013-5-24 00:29 编辑 ]

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原帖由 killmesoftly 于 2013-5-23 20:40 发表



你还没看明白吗?

进入这个市场以后的商业模式要改变的

用户买断设备只是一种选择,设备租赁的年费模式将成为另一个选择

对于运营商来说,是送399的XBOX ONE还是99的Roku?在我看来不用选择
举个离我们较近的例子,你觉得现在国内3G套餐办iphone,S4之类的高端机的人多还是办小米的人多?

iphone的定价远超小米,功能上小米很多也能实现。

诚然iphone和三棒对小米算是先入为主,但有时候优秀得多的产品是能逆势后来居上领导市场潮流的。

否则iphone当年比诺基亚多数机器贵,又是后来者,却又能血洗手机市场呢?要知道塞班也是个智能系统,也能做很多事,但用户细节体验差距太大,自然就完蛋了不是?

关键是看xbox one和其提供的服务有没有足够吸引力,用户体验足够优秀,能逆潮流后来居上,这个就要拭目以待了。

[ 本帖最后由 tntforbrain 于 2013-5-24 00:28 编辑 ]

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lz说的,除了婊子和嫖客外,大部分偶都在几个月前提过了。。
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只是有一点和lz没法比,就是偶根不正苗不红。。:D

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原帖由 倍舒爽 于 2013-5-24 00:34 发表
lz说的,除了婊子和嫖客外,大部分偶都在几个月前提过了。。
。。。。
只是有一点和lz没法比,就是偶根不正苗不红。。:D
你注册日期比我早,别谦虚了:D

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原帖由 hudihutian 于 2013-5-23 20:23 发表
我觉得这年头只有疯子才会对主机的未来乐观

手机和平板扩大了游戏玩家群体,但是扩大的群体根本不会补充进主机玩家的行列里来,反而会把主机玩家吸走
所以我觉得现在的老玩家们还是鼓捣古董实机或者模拟器比较实际,未来将会是腾讯的、是盛大的。

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